iconLog In  |  Register

Defining Indie Rock is so indie

The term ‘indie’ is dead in my book. While simply standing for “independent,“ the term has been the victim of some serious overuse, to the extent where it is now nothing but a vague euphemism and has now taken on an entirely different meaning in the process.

It pains me to see the likes of Xiu Xiu and Girl Talk drawn huddled together underneath the lazy, compromising umbrella the word “indie.“ It isn’t fair to anyone, especially the bands themselves, as classifying music as “indie” or something as “indie” doesn’t even remotely describe the art itself.

May I point out how many awesome bands are on major labels and independent labels alike? I thought this was common sense, I really did, but it’s becoming more and more apparent to me that many music listeners believe “being in the know” means liking what’s cool — “cool” here defined as what’s not popular. If it was just the music listeners themselves being affected by this kind of narrow-minded and utterly irresponsible classification, there wouldn’t be a problem.

People do what people do, and as long as they aren’t intentionally affecting others with their thoughts then you can’t place any blame anywhere. But it has come to my attention that it’s not only the music appreciators that this slothful decadence is affecting, but also the music seekers.

Suggestions and recommendations are very important resources to have when building up your personal music library. Almost everyone has taken a suggestion from someone at some time to check out a “totally awesome band that you just had to hear.“ This is why it is so important for this term‘s usage to be eliminated, or at least severely lessened. The music appreciators, by describing a band as “indie,“ are leaving bad tastes in the mouths of the interpretive, curious, open-minded seekers who are eager to broaden their horizons. Coining a single phrase to describe something is ridiculous; It only promotes the idea that “indie” music is all the same, encompassing the same messages of fuck the police, find your own path, and do what you please. This is simply not so.

I firmly stand by my belief that by proclaiming bands as “indie” to others, without further elaboration or without passing along the good advice of finding out for oneself what they think, they are sucking out the value of the subject in question and replacing this value with disrespect and apathy. This is the exact opposite of giving credit where credit is due, which is partly what you are doing when you even so much as listen to music.

Imagine yourself as an artist that blends tribal African percussion with power chords and intricate melodies and then finding yourself being compared to the Decemberists or Dizzee Rascal in discussions regarding what “this kind of music” stands for. It’s utterly ridiculous. And what is so scary about it is that so much of this happens on a subconscious level, without the appreciator (if you could even call them that…) or the seeker being aware that they are forming opinions of music when not even listening to it.

We should all appreciate music just for being there at all. Must we humans try to control everything by labeling it this and that in an effort to make things more intelligible? Even if it means sacrificing our dignity and respect for others?

I feel like some clarification was needed for those too embarrassed or uninterested to question what “indie” really has come to mean on and below the surface level.

God, being considerate is so indie.

No wonder “indie” music has come to stand for what it does. Nobody knows what the hell it means! When a band is popular at least it means easier access. It doesn’t matter that a lot of popular music is shallow and one-dimensional so long as it’s convenient. What if this kind of convenience was found among lesser-known artists? This would result in the masses being more able and more willing to expand their tastes. I’m talking about making the underground part of the ground we walk on and not just something explored by some and merely prodded occasionally by others.

I want to stress that I clearly see a line that some people are drawing between themselves and others; ones who listen consider themselves “indie” and ones who don’t. This line should be erased so that music doesn’t have to carry the weight of acting as both an aligner and divider of humanity.

To address this issue, we who have strong ties to the music we love and to mankind itself need to unite by being more detailed in our descriptions of the bands we like. Not only does this make it clearer to you as to why you like them, but it avoids any confusion that might arise. Realize that when you have a responsibility when communicating with others to express who you are and that what you say about a band may have an affect on how the person you are talking to in how they view a certain artist. First impressions are often the strongest impressions, so make it a good one… at least for the bands sake.

Just by trying to go into detail about so-and-so means you are helping eliminate the poisonous judgmental outlooks caused by over-simplification. Sound can be produced in extraordinary ways. The possibilities really are endless. Allow others to share the feelings you experience when listening to your favorite unknown bands not by spreading “the word” but by giving an accurate synopsis of what that band does for you to them instead.

I must say this will take a little flexing of the brain. This is a good thing of course, but maybe don’t start with Dan Deacon.

4 comments

username

ward

#1

and WTF is “post-rock” LOL

username

brigham

#2

i’m not too worked up about the term “indie” becoming watered down.  it’s just like what happened with “alternative” in the 90’s.  to me “indie” should refer to musical artists on independent labels, or those formerly on independent labels with strong ties to the independent community (think modest mouse, eg) - similar to how the term works in the indie film world.  when using the term to describe the musical style itself, a qualifier should be added, such as “indie rock”, “indie pop”, “indie guitar swing”, “indie hiphop”. too much description, though, is a headache, and in the end more confusing than ever.

username

Mertz

#3

I’m okay with Xiu Xiu and Girl Talk being lumped together under one term… as long as that term is “Overhyped Crap”  :D 

ormstungu avatar

ormstungu

#4

I agree with #2. “Indie” as a musical category connotes to people a general aesthetic they are likely to encounter by listening to Band X. You can sub-classify it if you want, but to the uninitiated, or as a quick definition, “indie” certainly works adequately. Take heavy metal for example. There are countless sub-genres of heavy metal (death, black, grind core, hard core, doom, funeral doom, power, thrash, etc…), but if I were to describe to you a band, say Slayer, or Iron Maiden, or Emperor, or Opeth as “heavy metal” you would get a mental picture of what the band “should” sound like, and upon hearing it you would instantly recognize it as metal. Then, you can sub-classify it into whatever little niche you want or feel is helpful. Telling somebody that “Girl Talk is this single dude who does mashups, but not regular mashups, he deconstructs all kinds of popular songs, then layers them to create something entirely new and alive” is a lot more difficult than saying “Hey there indie fan, have you heard Girl Talk?“


Add A Comment

A note about our commenting policy.


Comment
  1.  captcha arrow

Most Recent Music Comments

{username}

I was all set to pounce on this, but it’s the truth.  There used to be bands in town I was afraid of, like I’d have a heart attack during their set.  There are still some great bands, but they’re pretty and dainty and low in cholesterol. …

{username}

I will be at Danu this evening. And seeing as tomorrow - St. Pat’s - is my birthday, I will be celebrating with tons of green and fun!

{username}

Big Blue will actually be on 6-9, despite what is posted elsewhere. Then, hightail it over to Bentley’s!

John Steinbacher avatar

Ahh - good point - I will plug them in the appropriate sections.

emma reaux avatar

Yeeee! This sounds so fun! Any word on covers for any/all of these? Maybe SP could spring for punch cards and some discounts if we make it to all, eh?  

{username}

...and given the lack of smiley emoticons i chose to employ, that reads far more sarcastically than i ever intended (my apologies).  i actually find this to be a great article and an interesting discussion, seriously : )

{username}

Once it leaves the basement, it is then called what? hmmm…....could it be mainstream? accessible? appealing on a mass-level? POP???  Quickly it will become a fad, over-saturate the media, and piss people off.  Then everyone can write articles based on how that shit sucks, too.  chickens are…

John Steinbacher avatar

In general, I think music is much more interesting now than in 1995. I definitely am very glad contemporary music has expanded beyond the four-piece rock lineup that dominated much of the 90’s. The point of the above isn’t so much about a sound or an instrument…

{username}

2010 is not 1995. I’m not sure why anyone would expect a music scene to remain stationary as the world of popular music moves around it. Also, today, making popular music with mainstream appeal and being innovative and cutting-edge are usually exact opposites.

{username}

bhrama- thanks for the promo. it is true, crane and badger will be playing on friday at mike and mollys w/ the chemicals and tractor kings. we will be playing first. show starts at 10pm. come on out. rock will be had.

Most Recent Comments

{username}

Dan Schreiber’s chocolate is simply the best I’ve ever had.  It’s a whole different ball-game; closer to very high-end wine than anything out of Hershey PA. 

{username}

That settles it… Im going.

{username}

Vosges is pretty decent chocolate, but you should definitely try the locally-produced chocolate from Dan Schreiber, available (regularly?) at Amara, Caffe Paradiso, and Common Ground.  I believe it is or will be at other places soon.

{username}

I read Kucinich flipped today. He must have read this and been convinced.

{username}

Bread Company can do some fantastic vegan dinner dishes!  Several of their pastas are vegan or could be made vegan and their pizzas can be ordered (and taste great) without the cheese.  I also recommend their roasted potatoes and their roasted garlic head appetizer.

{username}

General Admission? Are we supposed to camp out the night before the game to get decent seats?

SFJon avatar

I wonder with Griffey if he’s not in game shape enough to play a significant number of minutes.  If you look at his minutes played this year, he’s never played a starters minutes.

Joel Gillespie avatar

I really appreciated Ms. Lennhoff’s candid answers to the questions. I learned a lot about health care reform from this experience. Thanks CCHCC!

{username}

Glad you asked Stuart. In the 1950s (well before they were approved for human use) poultry producers began using subtherapeutic doses of quinolone antibiotics, specifically fluroquinolone, to reduce the incidence of respiratory disease in overcrowded production conditions. In humans, quinolones are a last line of defense antibiotic…

{username}

Hah!  Good one, Joel.   But my question was a serious one.  I only buy eggs from a couple of local organic farmers, so I never thought about antibiotic-free eggs.  I’m assuming that Anna meant the hen was not fed antibiotics, but am not wholly sure. I’m…

Joel Gillespie avatar

That sounds like a setup to a joke at a CSA’s annual banquet. Q: “How can you tell an antibiotic-free egg?“ A: “It just can’t seem to get rid of that cough.“ /shows self out

{username}

First off did you read the wired magazine article I posted? You should. Second, WAS!? HAhahaaha. What, we aren’t being spied on right now. Its not legal anymore? Obama didn’t just re-authorize the patriot act? Semi-mythical deep packet inspection devices. Semi-mythical deep packet inspection devices. Semi mythical…

{username}

I was all set to pounce on this, but it’s the truth.  There used to be bands in town I was afraid of, like I’d have a heart attack during their set.  There are still some great bands, but they’re pretty and dainty and low in cholesterol. …

{username}

I love eating Vietnamese food, and having growing up my entire life eating it, I was excited to go.  I really wanted to like this place because of all of the hype I had heard——unfortunately, I was sorely disappointed.  I got the pho (vietnamese soup) and thought…

{username}

Kaiyo was decent for a sushi buffet, but it definitely isn’t as good as KO fusion.  I thought it was better than any sushi I’ve ever had at a chinese buffet, but was not as good as my least favorite sushi item at KO fusion.  However, I…

{username}

What is an antibiotic-free egg?  And how can you tell?

{username}

Great article. I’ve always found that by making it in the blender, I can be my typical impatient self and pour tons of oil in at once. It’s very forgiving that way, though not fool proof. 

{username}

I will be at Danu this evening. And seeing as tomorrow - St. Pat’s - is my birthday, I will be celebrating with tons of green and fun!

{username}

Big Blue will actually be on 6-9, despite what is posted elsewhere. Then, hightail it over to Bentley’s!

John Steinbacher avatar

Ahh - good point - I will plug them in the appropriate sections.

Log In



Auto-login on future visits

Forgot your password?